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Art Thompson's warnings about John McManus
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Transcript
First Art Thompson voice mail message:
“Vance, this is not simply an aberration. This is [Jack McManus’] religion to be anti-Semitic and anti-Mason. That’s all there is to it — through and through, up and down, sideways. [Art stammers for a second or two and then says]: [My daughter] says that [Jack’s church has] a website called St. Benedictine something or other and she’s downloaded some stuff called “Neutralizers.” It’s basically: everybody but a Moslem is a neutralizer and a liberal and out of salvation because they are not Catholic. And it’s all Masonic and Jewish control…. So you know it’s amazing the more you dig the more widespread you realize all this is, and it’s been probably a problem for us for years and we didn’t even know it."
Second Art Thompson voice mail message:
“Vance, I’m having a full set of that meeting at St. Benedictines sent to me by Hal [Shurtleff]. The disturbing aspect of it is that he is getting them from Mangieri. Apparently, somebody in Mangieri’s area went to [the conference] and got a full set of the tapes and uh gave them or two full sets of the tapes and gave them to Mangieri. And so Hal was already one step ahead of us and already asked Mangieri to get those. So he’s going to send them to me and I left you out of the loop uh just uh because. And then as soon as I get them I’ll forward them to you. And uh even Hal is thinking uh. He says I’m trying to do these things without making it look like I’m uh you know uh sending up any red flags to Jack [McManus] as to what’s going on. So, Hal realizes the gravity of all this. He’s suddenly come to realize that there is a serious problem there. At any rate, the disturbing aspect is that this stuff is just going out all over the place and uh to our staff to our members you name it. Uh so, that’s the gist of it.”
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Gary Benoit on John McManus
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Gary Benoit voice mail message:
“I do see where the distribution of this [material taken from a video-taped speech given John F. McManus] could be harmful [to the JBS]. But beyond that, I think Jack really is saying in the beginning of it that it is a Jewish/Masonic conspiracy. I don’t agree with that myself, and I think that it could be very, very, very harmful for that position to get around and associated with the President of the John Birch Society."
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Larry Waters' concerns about John McManus
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Transcript
Larry Waters voice mail message:
“Vance, I just read Jack’s 12-page reply to Tom [Gow] and I just have two or three comments. Number one: Even if everything [Jack] said is true about the occult Masons being the origin of the conspiracy we fight, why did Jack as Birch President state what he did in conflict with Mr. Welch and is attributed to Birchers. Number two: [Jack] agrees we don’t have to fight on every front and then proceeds to do so in conflict with Mr. Welch. And number four [sic]: Doesn’t [Jack] imply that Mr. Welch was wrong? I mean those three things just leap out at me, nothing profound about them. And, of course, I don’t have the scholarship to examine the stuff [Jack] said. I never read the Abbé Barruel. I read Robison. So I certainly subscribe to Mr. Welch’s views. So like I said, even if [Jack] is true [sic], he’s still in conflict with Birch approach [sic] and with Mr. Welch’s views and is attributed to Birchers everywhere.”
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Tom Hill's concerns about John McManus
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Transcript
“Beyond that, Vance, I think it comes down to you fellows determining if the matter [with Jack] is at that point where the what-you-call-it has to hit the fan, then it has to hit the fan. I wish you could get some promises out of Jack, but those wouldn’t necessarily put your mind at rest because of his being compelled to be the friend, and the leader, and the sage, and all the things that he enjoys so much being in his mind.”
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